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    • Tsukijin
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    Sorry ladies, this is REALLY long but I could do with a hand. Maybe from someone who has knowledge of the problem
    BACK STORY
    My friend has started to turn every aspect of conversations we have, to her new bf Sam. If I’m talking/messaging about something I’ve done or got or responding to her questions about how my OH is she tries to compete by saying silly things like “Yes but sam’s car is faster than yours” “sam is more responsible than your bf because we are buying a house before having kids” [when I became pregnant i was renting, i now have my own house] “sam is a better driver” “sam does that.” “I bet sam has a bigger **** than your oh” “Oh that’s like sam” “Oh sam is so protective of me”. Ladies it is REALLY bizarre as sam doesn’t appear to do confrontation and does not come across to me as the kind of person she paints him as and it makes me a little uncomfortable that he might be abusing her.

    my hen was on saturday, my sister, my cousin, my best friend Amy and a mutual friend of me and Amy. we all agree to meet in town and my friend is whining about how sam said he will miss her and not know what to do with himself and that he is worried and won’t be able to sleep and wants to come along. I chuckle at her and tell her it’s one night and not to worry as he will probably be on his xbox. She spent the whole journey texting and reading all the messages out loud to people in the car. I decide to call her bluff because I don’t think he is the person she is fabricating so I tell her I can’t hear her very well over the music, can I have a look. She refuses and then tells me her phone has deleted all the messages. I start a singing game with the occupants of the car. Amy declines and carries on texting. We reach the apartment and begin to get ready and compliment each other, Amy sits in a corner texting sam. I offer to do her hair, she sits there texting while I do it. We get out the jokey hen stuff, you know, willy whistles and willy balloons ect. Amy refuses to wear one saying sam would be jealous. Seriously? Of a plastic ****? But that’s fine and I don’t persue it.

    She asks where we will be going so she could tell sam but i refuse to give her a timescale because a) i don’t know and b) i don’t want to work to one. We do our only scheduled activity, cocktail making in a casino. Amy complains that sam would be jealous because the teacher was a man and that he was already upset enough that he couldn’t tag along. I roll my eyes because its pathetic. She doesn’t pay any attention and barely participates because she is busy texting.

    Next we go on a club crawl. Everyone liked different music so i thought it would be fairest to do a little club for each taste and end the night at a club of my choosing. The first club wasn’t my kind of music but we all danced and had fun, except amy who sat in a corner texting. We went to a few different ones, and ended the night in rock city which is the kind of music me and amy love, but again she sat there texting and complaining that there were guys in the club and sam was worried. By now i was thinking oh whatever. Then she asked if sam could come to the club and come back to our apartment as that way he could drink and leave his car overnight. I said no, because i was sharing the room with amy and id have nowhere to sleep. She huffs and sits texting for hours while the rest of us dance away and make the most of the evening as we have spent about £100 each on entry to all the clubs alone. As well as another £20 for the cocktail class and £150 each for the apartment and food.
    We all returned to the apartment and put a bit of music on, to play a few board games, amy goes into the bedroom and spends the night texting.

    The next morning i don’t want to make a scene and ruin it for all so i don’t mention amys behaviour. Previously me and amy had agreed that the night before the wedding me and her would spend the night at the venue for a bit of pampering. She then announced over breakfast on Sunday that sam had booked himself into the venue for that night and is joining us. I let rip at her because first she had made my evening uncomfortable by sitting there looking miserable and texting all night. People kept asking me “whats up with your mate?, that I had been kind enough to her paying for her to come as I know she had no money due to just starting work from uni and now she was spoiling the night before my wedding too now. I’m livid actually, I love her dearly but I’m worried that sam is abusing her because the classic signs are there, behaving nicely when people are around, the deleting the messages, the constant texting, the jealousy over silly things, telling her he is only mad because he is worried/cares, and if anyone mention it to her i can guarantee she will start cutting herself off from everyone one by one. How do I help?

    eru, shiteiru ka? shinigami wa ringo shika tabenai?
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    • lala "mod" bunni
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    firstly .... you have no proof so please be VERY careful about suggesting this to anyone ... sounds to me like she wants him to be more than really is ...and wont admit failings to anyone .... she may not havebeen txting him and thats why she deleted messages so not to have been caught out ..... i think she would really like to have what you have ..

    you have to be firm and tell her that she has upset you by changing plans ....sam is NOT included in pamperin

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    • KarenB9
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    How well do you know this Sam ? are you able to speak to him with out Amy about or would this be unusual behaviour for you ?x
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    • Hayley Elizabeth
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    OMG what a horrible situation for you to be in and also very mean of her but it seems she wouldn't have realised how much her behaviour would have affected your night. I think the best thing would be to talk to her alone (that's if you can get her away from Sam). The only other thing is to be there for her but tell her that you need her support too. If she's bringing Sam, explain to her that he can't be with you on your pampering, night before etc as it's supposed to be the ladies only xx
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    • Tsukijin
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    Thanks lala, I'm not suggesting it to anyone and I won't bring it up with her purely because it would destroy our friendship but I'm looking here just for a few opinions because if someone did happen to be hurting her and I missed the signs I would not be her friend so I'm really just looking for ways I can look out for her without being captain obvious. As it is I get on well with sam and I won't be treating him any differently than I do now because as you've said, I have no evidence.

    I wonder if she might take offence if I get my OH to ask Sam to join he and his friends for a drink and games evening the evening before instead of doing boring girly stuff with us.

    eru, shiteiru ka? shinigami wa ringo shika tabenai?
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    • mrsV2013
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    also if you are worried push yourself into her life and really get to know this sam. if he is what you think you will see the signs but don't try to split them.

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    • Tsukijin
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    I don't want him to be what I'm dreading because it's high time she had someone who stuck with her and didn't cheat on her with the first bit of flesh to pass his eye.

    I just don't know if she is just embellishing the truth about him to make her feel good because the last 4 guys have damaged her so badly, or if he is genuinely this demanding of her time and prescence :(

    eru, shiteiru ka? shinigami wa ringo shika tabenai?
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    • natalie2614
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    what an awful pickle to be in! I agree with Lala, I think its insecurity on her part and shes trying to make him sound more than he is? she shouldnt have invited him to the hotel the night before the wedding without asking you first especially as you made plans. I think the idea of your h2b inviting him out with the lads wont work if he's as odd as she seems to be making out - however wouldnt hurt to ask x x

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    • mrsV2013
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    well i hope he's a good one and you're friend is just over reacting with the relationship (it's happens a lot)

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    • Tsukijin
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    Well that's why its odd, my friend didn't invite him. He booked himself in and then told her he was coming, but unless I see that message I'll never know if that's true or whether she booked him in

    eru, shiteiru ka? shinigami wa ringo shika tabenai?
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    • Velcro
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    Dunno about the rest of it, but I'd tell her if he is staying at the venue the night before, which annoyingly, you can't stop, you can however say he is having noting to do with your plans for the evening or the morning, it's your wedding, whats the point in him being there, being a distraction? Absolutely put your foot down on that one.

    Without knowing what goes on behind closed doors, you won't really know what's going on with their relationship though. Has she been with him long? Does she have form for going abit obsessive over past boyfriends? Does he come across as the jealous type...? i think its a bit weird some of the things she's said tbh, I was with someone that was a controlling jealous idiot, but I never once said to anyone, Oh he won't let me go out, or he's jealous of the fact that theres other males there, or questioning me if im having an affair if im late home from work. I kept it all to myself. She seems to be going for attention, and I think you can't decide whether she's trying to let everyone know somethings up, or shes just going abit crazy and painting a certain picture of a bloke that's not living up to what she's fantasised about.

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    • Mel D
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    Having been in the kind of relationship that you're dreading your friend is in, I will tell you from my side what would happen on a night like a hen do:

    First of all I would NOT have been allowed to go under ANY circumstances. I would have been told of course that I could go, but when it came to the day something would have happened which would have meant that I would have had to cancel at the last minute but the reason I gave for cancelling would never have been anything to do with him it would have been something like a work emergency. If some miracle had happened and I had been given permission to go, I would have had a deadline to be back by. He would not have been satisfied texting all night - he would have spent probably 75% of the time actually speaking to me to hear where I was and if there were men around. "because xx would be jealous" would not have been something that I said to get out of wearing a plastic w1lly ... becuase I would not have wanted people to know how controlling and jealous he was. However I would not have put one on just in case someone got a photo of me with it. Had I been allowed to stay overnight there would have been very little chance of me getting to spend breakfast with you all as I would have had a phone call at 7am from him threatening all sorts and I would have had to leave immediately as he would have given me a time that I had to be back by (which would be at least 15 minutes less than it should take from where-ever I was). I never spent my time talking about him as I didn't want people to ask me questions, and I certainly would never have been bragging about him.

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    • Linzi-jo
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    I was in a similar relationship to MelN and this is exactly what would have happened with me too. To me it sounds like your friend is bored in her relationship and is trying to add some drama to it. If she was being abused, she would never talk like she did, and if she did want someone to know, it would be on a one to one basis and would take a lot of time for her to finally get it out, not on a hen do when others were there too. To me, it sounds like she wanted attention xxx

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    • OWB
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    I'm not sure about the relationship being abusive as I haven't experienced it. It does sound very unhealthy though, she's obviously very insecure about it, to the point of obsession. Perhaps she was texting him constantly to make sure he wasn't out? She 'big's him up' as she's wants him to feel that way about her. Without knowing her, it's hard to say.

    As for the night before / morning of your wedding, completely ban him from any activities you have planned.

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    • LegoWife
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    I also agree with MelN although there's no way to be sure. He sounds like one of those possessive dominant easily jealous types that manipulate you into thinking he's a great guy just insecure when really it's just all part of his ways to control you. I would tell her his issues aren't your problem then and there is no way you're letting him be involved in your days with the girls.

    On a slightly different note, why do people feel that owning a house makes them superior to those who rent? Long as you have a stable home for your family why does it matter if you rent it or own it? Urgh some people.

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    • MinimalistSpouse
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    I totally understand how you feel. I've a friend who was at one point in this type of relationship, and in the past I have too. I'm pretty sure it's made all my relationships since ten times harder.

    All I can say is don't get angry or confrontational but make sure she knows that you're there if she needs you. I know that she put a downer on your evening, but perhaps it's best just to get on and have your fun, if she doesn't want to participate then that's up to her.
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    • ShelleyM46
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    id try n talk 2 her n explain ur worried about the change in her.n wud defo see if he wud go out wi ur h2b instead of a girly night shes not really been fair on u wi that.is she any different wen hes there x

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    • Tsukijin
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    Thanks for the advice ladies. She did tell me that I couldn't take any pictures of her in case he saw them but I can't understand why she would want to make a nice guy sound like he was a freak :/ maybe he let her go on the hen night because he knew I'd be suspicious if she wasn't there but he apparently did keep asking if there were any men near her and if she was looking at or talking to them. I'm just not sure anymore. This behavior is unlike any she has ever displayed with previous partners. When he is around he is nice to her but she is very different. She doesn't talk with me about old times or old friends ect because Sam often butts in on her with things like " we are living for the future now aren't we" as if he doesn't want her to remember any time he wasn't there and every time we go into a restaurant if we happen to be served by a man Sam makes comments like " he was looking at you". I ever suggest my partner comes along they both pull out for one reason or another. I'm really concerned but she keeps drilling into me "he's just protective"

    eru, shiteiru ka? shinigami wa ringo shika tabenai?
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    • LauraJo87
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    All you can do is try not to be too frustrated and be there if she needs you, whilst keeping an objective eye on how the situation is developing.

    If she has had some bad relationships in the past she may be wanting to prove to everyone how much he loves her, and doesn't realise she's making him sound like a psycho!! It does sound like she's telling porkies about the texts he was sending her though, so maybe he was saying nothing of the sort, perhaps just general chit chat?

    I would try to get to know him a bit better, so maybe you can maybe get a better gauge on his intentions.

    In my experience, both with friends and myself, if you have a controlling boyfriend you go out of the way to cover up for this. It sounds like she's just head over heels loved up and being silly.

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    • LynD
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    I agree with the others.

    I've been in a controlling relationship and I've seen both my stepdaughter and daughter be in one too (my daughter's boyfriend actually had her text me to say that she wanted nothing to do with me anymore and never to contact her again).

    I don't think he's abusive.. I think he's insecure. Now this can lead to something more controlling and I wouldn't want anyone to live through that. I'd just say that you'll always be there for her and leave her to do her own thing.




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    • FernP61
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    Id just tell her straight that hes not welcome the night before as you had arranged this previous, he sounds like hes very possesive and wants to know where she is every minute of the day seriously im surprised he didnt turn up at your apartment on your hen! why would she be deleting the messages? also sounds like hes filling her head with rubbish i feel sorry for her maybe she feels she needs to stay with him otherwise he wont leave her alone x
 

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